Statements From Live Accounts Trading S&P Crusher and Swing Trader

We do have individuals ask on occasion if we have statements we can share. We used to provide these upon request – but recently decided to begin showing them on the website. Just remember, past performance is not indicative of future performance. In addition, trading futures and options involves substantial risk of loss and is not appropriate for all investors.

Summary of Statements Provided

The following image shows a summary of the results seen. Refer to the FAQ at the bottom of this page for answers to the most common questions we get regarding statements.

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Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Statements

We get it. Showing statements can introduce a number of different questions. For this reason, we have some answers to the more common questions we get regarding the statements.

Are these actual statements from someone only trading your algos?

Yes. This individual has 2 accounts opened with Gain Capital. The first account (E48334) is trading the Swing Trader. The second account (E48335) is trading the S&P Crusher.

Why are there two accounts?

They are separated so that the results of each trading system can be viewed in a single account. This makes it easy to see how the Crusher has performed vs. how the Swing Trader has performed.

Why does this feel confusing? Why not just give me some statements? Why the diagram?

Because this is an actual account trading the algos – it’s not always clean to view. This individual transferred money from one account to seed the second account. He also Took Profits or withdrew some of the gains in Jan, Feb and Mar of 2017. In order to better track the actual performance of the account, we created the image shown above – so that you can see the beginning account balance, ending account balance, any withdrawls/deposits to the account and finally the total profit for each month.

Can you just explain how much the Swing Trader made in the live account?

Yes. The swing trader account that we share (E48334) began trading in February 2017. He started with $40,000 (transferred from his crusher account).  As of 7/27/17, he has made approximately $28,615. This is a percent gain of 71.53%.

Got it. How about for the crusher?

The crusher account that we share (E48335) began trading in January 2017. He started with $109,565. He transferred $40K to the swing trader account and withdrew an additional $40,000 in Jan,Feb and Mar.  As of 7/27/17, his account has approximately $64,241. His total profit for Jan-July 2017 has been approximately $34,344. This is a normalized percent gain of approximately 38.16%.

Why do the statements have a weird format?

In order to remove personal information (name and address), we had to import the PDF statement from Gain Capital into MS Word. The only edit made was to remove personal information and highlight in yellow the net liquidating value of the account. When we save this document back into a PDF, the formatting gets aligned in a strange way but it is still readable.

Why does the second account balance go from $109K to roughly $64k?

This is because the customer took $40K out of the account as profits. He also transferred $40K to the swing trader account. This brought his overall balance down in the crusher account. If you add back $80K to his balance, he would have had approximately $144K.

How many contracts are being traded on each algorithm?

The swing trader account is trading 4 units and the crusher account is trading 3 units.

Looking at the statements, they are very confusing. Can you help explain them?

Each PDF statement shows two accounts. You could look at each trade if you want – however it’s easiest to just look at the Net Liquidating Value of the account. This shows the total account value, including open trades and closed trades. It’s the easiest way to determine how an account has done. However, because these individuals withdrew money and transferred money to a new account – you have to also look at the Payments/Receipts section. This shows any withdraws or credits to or from the account.  In addition, you can see these transfers in the statement itself.

 

Why do they cover 2017 only? What about 2016?

In 2016, the account we show was trading the Crusher V1, Crusher V2, Swing Trader and the iron condor weekly options package. Because of this, it would be too confusing to determine the results of each algorithmic trading system. The results are all combined in a single statement and we feel this would not be helpful. In addition, the owner of the account placed a few discretionary trades in 2016.

 

Why do you share the statements? I thought this was not allowed?

Our attorneys have assured us that we are allowed to share statements as long as they are reflective of actual accounts and we include the proper disclaimers.  To emphasize this yet again: Past performance is not indicative of future performance. In addition, this is not for everyone!

With that said, we provide statements to customers so that they can get a feel for what kinds of fills we get and what the actual returns have been.

 

Can I have someone audit your statements?

Yes. If you prefer to have an accountant review our statements – we can provide them to a certified professional accountant with the personal information included. Because we are not registered CTA’s, these statements have not been audited by the CFTC.



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